she woke up with hope

Okay so de-cheval-et-chasse prompted me to compile a list of parallels between Mash in the last half of s1. After much venting and thinking, I finally started making a list of sign posts that may or may not have been woven into the show intentionally. I only did one episode since I’m tired and I don’t think I’m making any sense. If you want more, just ask and I’ll try to continue this. It’s hard to do these things without having someone else to feed off of.

1. Let’s start with 1x13, the episode that broke the fandom and the ratings:

Bash: With me you are free and wild. You can be who you are and I will always put you first.

Let’s contrast this with 1x14, approximately two months after Mary’s honeymoon. Mary comes back to court and looks out the carriage window rather forlornly, lamenting over the unease she’s feeling. Suddenly, the love she shares with Francis feels fragile. And she hopes Bash is happy in Spain.

Here are the facts that Mary is unaware of: Francis threatened Bash after Mary asked Francis to protect Bash and Francis had a one night-stand with Lola. So obviously these are not the reasons she’s feeling uneasy. What could it be? Mary Tudor is alive and well. She married the man she “loves more” and Bash is safely tucked away in Spain (so she thinks). Can we blame this on all the trauma she’s faced at French Court? Maybe. But she found a reason to smile again despite all the dangers she faced during her engagement to Bash. And she’s with the legitimate heir now, so why does Mary’s smile feel so distant in this scene? Why does she feel her love for Francis is fragile now?

It could be one of two things: reality is about to come crashing down on her or Bash is not at court. Since Mary arrived at French Court, she has had an ally, a friend she could trust. Francis always had to put France first, she’s always known that. But back then, Mary had Bash. Someone who was always on her side, no matter what. He may not have been in the forefront but he was always in the background, looking out for her. Something Mary felt more keenly during their engagement. She never doubted his ability to protect her, she said so herself. Now she’s made her choice and he’s gone. And while Mary should be over the moon happy to be with Francis without any obstacles, she’s sad. Why? At this point, she should feel strength in their love. Personally, I attribute this change to Bash’s absence and the reality she’s about to face: a life without Bash and all that comes with him. She’s missing that piece of her that “could be who she is” and the freedom that came with it. I don’t want to argue the point with FM, but I will say that I do not think that Mary can be her full self with him. France is always going to be a sore point, as we saw more and more as the season wore on.

After they get back to the castle, Mary says, “we were happy…we are happy.” A little slip in wording that speaks volumes. I don’t know if she was referring to the honeymoon or if she’s speaking of her life before her engagement to Bash. The girl admitted she loved Bash three times in episode 1x13, that love couldn’t just disappear in the span of a few months. I think her love for the brothers always existed side by side. And now that she’s married to one of them, she has to try to put that aside. Which, imo, explains a whole lot about Mary’s denials in this episode and 1x16.

Meanwhile, Bash is hiding out in the woods. Still not over Mary, just waiting for her to return to court, to warn her about her husband.

Mary: All of that is behind us. All of that pain.
Bash: Was it only pain we left behind? There was something more between us. Francis knows that. He hates it.

She’s trying to leave it in the past but Bash refuses to leave it there. He knows there was more, that it could have spurred Francis to have him killed. Mary does not deny the feelings they shared, she just says it wouldn’t change anything. Essentially her choice has been made and she cannot allow herself to regret it.

Bash: If you need me, put a light in your window, and I’ll meet you in the woods where we first kissed.

Mary just gives him pain filled eyes when he says this. Another reminder of the past. Of his willingness to be there for her despite the change in her relationship with both brothers. Even though she defended Francis to Bash, she still questions Francis on the issue. There’s a seed of doubt in her, she believes he may have done it. Because she knows that what Bash said was true: there was more between them and Francis knows it. And hates it. She says she did it to prove Bash wrong but I have my doubts. Why was it so important to her if she did not believe it? And later on, she confesses she believes Francis is capable of it (1x16—more on that later).

Francis goes on to say that without trust, they’re nothing. Yet, she trusted in Bash’s word and concern immediately. Enough to question her husband, the man she should trust above all. Then Francis brings up what happened in the woods—that Bash killed a man for Mary. A call back to where the feelings between Mash came to a head. Then he says that Bash isn’t safe from him.

Mary to Francis: I didn’t ask him to come to me.

And immediately after this conversation, she puts a candle in her window, calling on Bash. To warn him he’s not safe. And because she needs him to be safe.

Then Mary learns that Lola is going to have an abortion in the woods…

Mary: I would never ask this of you, but I need to get through the Blood Wood to Lola before it’s too late.

Yet, Mary is in the lead the entire time. Bash is the one that follows. Once again, it’s Bash she trusts and relies on. After her conversation with Francis, he’s the one that she should have turned to. Then her world comes crashing down, she discovers Lola’s pregnant with Francis’ child. After this, her conversation with Bash feels so finale, so remorseful.

Mary: Look at you two, at each other’s throats. Well, my part in this has ended. I am married.
Bash: You want me to leave.
Mary: There is nothing for you here.
Bash: You’re here! You need protection from them. You must trust me on this. They will always put their interests above yours.
Mary: You offer me so much that I cannot accept, because I am wed. You cannot care for me. In any way. Do you understand? If you must hate someone please, hate me.
Bash: If I were capable of that, I would.

And Mary is turning away, into the reality she chose. She wants Bash to be free and she knows that Bash is not safe from Francis. Francis told her as much. But not once does she tell him she does not love him, she just says he offers her things she cannot accept. She doesn’t speak of love, just of honor and duty and obligation. If he hates her, it would be easier for them all. And here’s the call back to 1x13, Bash tells her once again that they’ll never put her first. She doesn’t negate it, she knows it as truth. And I believe this is where the part of Mary we saw with Bash died. This conversation takes place in the dead of winter, just cold and empty, void of warmth or happiness. Much as Mary has felt during this entire episode. Kind of a sign of what’s to come for Mary: a cold, dead heart.

And finally, Bash “moves on” with someone else. Only after Mary has turned him away, sending him from court and her life.

Bash: A mark of flowers, hmm?
Rowan: I used to pick roses every morning. They cut me to pieces, but I didn’t care.
Bash: That’s because they’re beautiful.

A symbol for the love Bash feels for Mary? His love for her cuts him to pieces. But he can’t help himself, she’s beautiful to him.

"No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change the world."

Robin Williams ( July 21st 1951 - August 11th 2014)

cat asking for a pet [x]

YOU CAN TELL A LOT ABOUT SOMEONE BY THE TYPE OF MUSIC THEY LISTEN TO.

HIT SHUFFLE ON YOUR IPOD, PHONE, ITUNES, MEDIA PLAYER ETC AND WRITE DOWN THE FIRST 20 SONGS. THEN PASS THIS ON TO 10 PEOPLE.

ONE RULE: NO SKIPPING

tagged by: paigeroo5

o1. Someday - Rob Thomas
o2. King of Norway - The Donnies The Amys (excuse me, I’ve just been overcome with Mary/Bash feelings)
o3. Unconditional Love - Jah Cure
o4. Someone Like You - Dale Ryan (please listen to this, this guy does an amazing cover of this song)
o5. Crazy Girl - Eli Young Band
o6. More Than Words - Extreme
o7. Hey Jude - New Creation
o8. My Wish For You - Rascal Flatts
o9. Never Find - Jah Cure
1o. Fire and Fury - Skillet
11. Come Sail Away (Regenration Version) - Styx
12. Livin’ on the Edge - Aerosmith
13. From Where You Are - Lifehouse
14. Stalker - Kes The Band
15. Ships - Umbrellas
16. Show Me the Way - Styx
17. Broken - Lifehouse
18. You Raise Me Up - Josh Groban
19. Sissy’s Song - Alan Jackson
2o. Almost Home - Graig Morgan

I tag: hooksprincess, dianevalios, bastianpagez, mariebastian. And that’s it, everyone else has been tagged, lol. 

p.s. Click the song if you want to listen to it. :)

My friend and I started a new blog for Mary and Bash! We plan on keeping it active so please check out: lionandhisqueen.

Mabastian Appreciation Week: Day 5
∟Favorite things they said to one another.

"Yes you frighten me sometimes. And exhilarate me and challenge me to do things I never thought I could. You don’t have to be Francis. My heart is open.”

"With me you are wild and free. You can be who you are and I will always put you first.”

Acceptance, trust, honesty, and freedom. These quotes capture all of that and more. Mary accepts and embraces Bash’s darkness as well as his light: his nobility and devotion to family/loved ones. She acknowledges that sometimes the things he says/does scare her but it doesn’t keep her away from him. Because he challenges her to look beyond what she knows and to take risks she never would have otherwise (jumping off a cliff, opening her mind to the pagans, proposing to a penniless and landless bastard when there’s no guarantee he’d be legitimized). And as much as he challenges her, she also challenges his way of thinking (first with his belief that he doesn’t have the skills to be king and then by challenging his belief that his brothers would be safer in a convent). With Bash, Mary is free, truly free because he accepts her completely—the girl and the queen. He does not try to squash who she is—no he admires it and embraces it. Mary could be “just a girl” with Bash in the beginning (i.e. ranting about Francis and how stupid that situation with Olivia was—she did not have to be regal and hide who she was there—she was just Mary). And we saw the elation that came with that in Royal Blood—once Mary opened her heart she was able to laugh again. An open heart started it but it was also the knowledge she was with a man who could support the girl as well as the queen—both sides of her would come first for him, always. A relationship of equals—two people who embraced the good and the bad in each other, who learned to compromise and help each other grow. It’s just too bad it was cut down so soon. But I’m hoping for more moments like these in the future.

Mabastian Appreciation Week: Day 4
∟Favorite Song Moment

"Kings of Norway" - The Donnies the Amys

I’m in all the way, I’m in all the way
You’re the first to come around
and say the way I feel.
You’re the first to come around
and take it all away.
You’re the race I’m running round
you change the way I feel.

Mabastian Appreciation Week: Day 3
∟Little Mabastian Things

Horseback Riding

"You missed our morning ride."

Mabastian Appreciation Week: Day 2
∟Favourite Scene scene/moment

"Away where?"
"Far."
"That’s my destination as well."

I debated between three scenes, but ultimately, this scene from Fated won out. The dialogue in this scene is important, but it’s everything that underlies that words that makes it meaningful. There’s unspoken acceptance, understanding, trust, and respect here. Mary expects Bash to talk her out of leaving, just as everyone else has, but he offers her something else instead: support. She needs that more than anything else and he offers it without hesitation. She says “I’m leaving” and he nods like yes…let’s go. His favor in court is hanging in the balance, but he offers his protection anyway. And she’s also taking a risk by running away with him, but she allows it. Because she trusts him, she trusts him with her life—she trusts him to take her to Scotland,  she trusts that he will keep her safe. It’s that instinctive trust and respect that is so vital to this ship and these characters. And that’s why it’s my favorite scene, because of these underlying things within it. Also, can we get a parallel to this scene when Mary/Bash leave for Scotland after Francis dies? Because that would be spectacular.

Mabastian Appreciation Week: Day 1
Why do you love them

"You would do anything for them in spite of the risk to yourself. I think it’s noble.”

"Just trust me. You can do this.”
"I jumped off a cliff with you, and I survived. Now let me take the lead."

Why do I love Mary/Bash? Let me count the ways. But really, I had to think long and hard about what I love the most about this ship because there’s just so much to love about them. But what it all boils down to is this: mutual respect and trust. The trust is instinctive, it was there from the moment they met and it only grew over the course of the season. Mary always knew she could trust Bash, not only with her life but also with herself—her thoughts, her feelings. Whether it be good or bad, she trusts Bash enough to be herself. And even when things broke down between them, that remained in tact. Because he knows her and he doesn’t judge her for her choices, even the ones he disagrees with. And he supports her unconditionally. Because he has an incredible amount of respect and trust in her. He knows she’s her own woman, her own queen, and needs his support/trust/respect more than his ridicule.

But it isn’t all one-sided, Mary also sees and respects who Bash is. She knows he’s noble, kind, and brave. She has seen it through his actions, towards her and his family. And he trusts her with the secrets of his family, secrets that could get him killed. He also trusts her enough to be completely honest with her, something he has been unable to do with Francis or Henry (even before the king’s madness, he kept his pagan ties a secret). It’s this instinctive trust and respect that I hope continues throughout the show because it’s what makes this pairing so special, especially in this court of lies and deception.

lionheartedbash:

demonscantgothere:

lionheartedbash:

This week on the Afterbuzz TV Reign Youtube Channel, when the reviewers were going over the Bash storyline with Rowan’s family, reviewer Meagan Medick (the resident Francis-stan) said, “This is the Bash that I like. The Mary-less Bash.” Later in the conversation, the main host, Keetin Marchi…

This makes a ridiculous amount of sense. With Bash gone from Mary’s life, it does seem like she is taking a stricter route with her life choices and actions, following the path of being the “Royal,” and her character is suffering for it (and not necessarily by bad writing because Mary is shown as being quite damn unhappy, and it’s a reflection of her new lack of freedom, lack of choices, and diminished personal existence now that she’s bound to Francis). I really didn’t think about it that way at first, but I suppose I was just too frustrated with her character to realize it. She was carefree and just herself around Bash, but now she must follow all of the rules and be the picturesque Queen, and it’s sad. Because she wants to be happy, but she’s clearly not.

And yeah, a lot of people complain about love triangles, but you’re right - love triangles are often a reflection in writing to show three different life paths that a woman can choose for herself. (I say three because there is a third option.) She can choose to follow the rules, playing the game that life has set up for her, and that’s always attributed to one character. It’s usually the path that everyone expects the heroine to take - the nice, neat path. The proper path. Or she can break the rules and follow her heart, and that’s often attributed to the other character, where the woman is allowed to be free, be herself, and listen to her instincts and her heart over the roar of the world. Or she can choose neither, the third option, if neither of the first two suit what she feels is right for herself. Often, the second option and the third option can become one and the same if you have the right supporting male character who allows the woman to be herself and not change who she is for him.

I do believe that some people can trek it alone, but it’s not a path made for most people. I’m a different person now, a better person, I believe, for what I have been through with my significant other than when I was alone because he challenged me and made me see the best in me when I was blind to it myself. There’s something very special in that.

And I think, nine times out of ten, the bigger and more resounding love story always involves following your heart instead of following the rules life has set out for you. Because the whole point of love is you can’t bottle it, you can’t manufacture it, and you can’t control it, and setting it to a list of rules makes it fail every time.

Yessssss. Thank you for pointing out the third option I missed!  I definitely think Mary would have been better off choosing neither than what she’s ended up with now.  Even if all it did was allow her more time to sort things out.  

This is one of the few shows where the love triangle actually works/makes sense. Mary really never had a choice, no matter what episode 1x13 tried to make us believe. Mary is a royal and as a royal, she has certain duties she must perform. She has to follow the rules, smile when she wants to scream, and try to stay one step ahead of her enemies. And as much as we love to see this empowered young Queen, sadly her life is not her own. Because of the time and patriarchal society she lives in. Mary’s life and heart are not free; despite what fans would like. She could have chosen Bash and we all would’ve rejoiced, but what would that mean for Mary the Queen? Yes, Mary is arguably a stronger queen with Bash at her side, but Bash’s pagan ties would have been discovered in time. And what would that mean to a Catholic queen? Scotland is not strong; as they’ve stated many times on the show and that would have only weakened her country further. Bash would be burned for a heretic and likely, Mary would have burned for it too. On a political level, her choice had to be Francis. Love, while it had a role in the choice, was not the only reason. Because love, especially in this time period, could be a short lived emotion. And I think we’re seeing a little bit of that on the show. Yes, she loves Francis but politics and expectations are starting to take their tole on the young, wild Scottish girl we saw in the pilot. Francis heart also isn’t free; he may want to put Mary first, but realistically he can’t. He was groomed to be a king and as a king, he has to make hard choices—namely doing what’s best for France above what’s best for him. That will undoubtedly continue to come between FM as the show wears on. Politics have been between them since the pilot and I can only see that continuing.

Insert Bash. Bash who was raised outside the confines of politics and duty and country. Bash who has been allowed to use his heart to guide him. And as we’ve seen, Bash’s heart is big. He feels deeply and he wears those feelings on his sleeve. He has the freedom to love Mary without restriction, despite his status and hers. This is where Bash’s reckless nature comes into play—he lets his heart guide him even when it could cost him his life. And I think that’s why Mary has always been drawn to him—there’s a wildness in him that she sees in herself. As the Scottish lass who likes to dance without shoes on and quite enjoys mud underfoot. The girl who likes to climb trees and play. She can also be herself with him; we saw that in the pilot and again in 1x05 (where she rants and raves about how her boyfriend is annoying her; like any girl would). She can be herself with Francis to an extent, but he kind of limits that (“you’re strong…so strong”; “we can’t act on impulse, on feeling”). With Bash, Mary can be a girl and a queen. With Francis she wants to just be a girl with him but so many other things get in the way of that. Francis can spar with her on a political level and admittedly, those kinds of scenes are my favorite ones between them (expect when he does that, “you have to listen to me as a king” stuff). But with Bash…there’s something else there; something that’s just for Mary and Mary alone. So I think they both bring important things to Mary even if I prefer one dynamic over the other.

yoshi-09:

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lionheartedbash:

yoshi-09:

Can we talk about how when Mary tells Bash “There’s nothing for you here” how instantly enraged he gets while he says “YOU’RE HERE”? I think it speaks volumes for his character in just those two words.

It’s 1) the obvious, where he’s there for Mary because he loves her and would continue to…

Can I just say how amazing this fanbase is? You guys give me new things to think about and ways to view certain scenes/lines all the time. Once I think I have it figured out, there’s a new interpretation that turns the scene right around for me and this is one of those times. I thought that line was just his frustration at Mary for not seeing how he feels about her but now I’m seeing it quite differently. Thank you! I’m not going to reiterate what you’ve already said because you said it more eloquently than I could but I do have a few thoughts to add to this.

When you consider this, it’s interesting to think back to 1x13 when Francis told Bash, “You—you’re nothing.” That was probably the end of that relationship, at least in Bash’s mind. Because Bash has heard it all his life—from Catherine, from strangers, from girls he liked. It probably hurt him once but he learned to smile through the pain, even to joke about it. That way no one would be able to take a part of him away, the part of him that is wild and free. So he clung to that freedom and learned to be content with his life, even though he was a bastard—a nothing in the eyes of so many. That idea really resounded with me at the end of 1x06, “The real warning is that there are people who matter more and people who matter less. Those who will be remembered and those who will be forgotten.” That was the first hint we really got as to how much his bastard status effects him. Not because he wanted to be part of court, but because his life is always in danger…inconsequential to those around him. And that had to hurt even more deeply coming from his brother. That his beloved brother thought that too, that their relationship had been reduced to that.

There are echoes of that in 1x14 as well, when he talks about being nothing to Francis. To be nothing, in Bash’s eyes is to be unloved, to be unwanted, to be forgotten. So then we get to the Mary/Bash scene in the woods. Bash is, and always has been, like Mary’s knight and protector. Whether it was directly or indirectly, Bash always filled that role in her life. She never asked for it, he just offered it to her because he saw a freedom, a wildness in her that echoed inside him as well. He saw her strength and her compassion as a queen. He knew he could never have her, but it wasn’t about that. It was about Mary, it was always about Mary—the vulnerable girl and the compassionate queen rolled into one. From the sidelines he watched, he admired, he desired. Until that unexpected moment, that moment where she decided he would be her king. And as they bonded, she became everything to him and he became something to her. He showed her that and he told her that in various ways. But here’s what surprised him, the darkest parts of himself—the parts he tried to hide—were the parts that made her care for him. She saw nobility where he saw weakness. For someone who was always a bastard, a nothing, that had to be a powerful thing. I think that’s even reflected in the marriage proposal, “Make me the luckiest bastard on earth.” He accepted his status but what was once a shame, a joke to him is now a simple fact. He used to be nothing, but now he was something to someone he loved. I think he suffered from Francis’ rejection in 1x06, because Bash’s perception of himself seemed to change after that—i.e. “Francis is more civilized, he plays by the rules”.

Then we finally get to this last scene, where the word nothing comes into play once again. “There is nothing for you here.” And like a damn, his resolve breaks the moment those words escape her lips. It’s like he cannot believe Mary would question his loyalty to her, after everything they had been through. That she would question her value to him, and maybe her value to herself. Here’s something important about these characters, they understand each other, on a basic, implicit level. He sees that quiet, broken look in her eyes and he cannot bear it. Not when her eyes used to laugh so merrily, in the beginning and again when her heart was opening to him. He can’t bear her feeling like nothing, like he has felt so many times before. He wants her to feel like something when she made him feel that way, such a short time ago. I think Bash always knew he’d go back to being nothing which is why I think he did not hold any anger toward Mary (she made her choice and he respected that even if he questions it because of what he’s recently seen in his brother). And well it’s like he said, he doesn’t have it in his heart to hate her, even when he has tried. Because she’s something to him and always will be.

Mary was slipping away in this scene and I think that’s what sparked his outburst as well. It’s like she accepts that she’ll never come first, that someone or something else will always be above her. It’s a lot she’s accepted, because there’s a lot of guilt on her side (she changed the line of succession and ended up hurting everyone—-and the consequences have been—a pregnant LIW and a brokenhearted man that she can never reach for again). She blames herself for the rift between Francis and Bash, she wants Bash to hate her above everyone else. Not Henry, not Francis, just her. This is the regret, this is the compassion, this is the sorrow I expected from Mary in 1x13. It’s there, it’s subtle but it is there. That deep sigh at the end when he says he wasn’t capable of hating her tells me all I needed to know. She knew he couldn’t but she hoped he could. Because wouldn’t be easier for all of them if he could hate her? As much as she yearns for what Bash offers, she can’t accept it because it would be selfish to let him fight for her when she’s married. And maybe even, a part of her feels unworthy of such devotion.

It’s interesting however, that she doesn’t negate what he’s telling her, “they’ll always put their interests above yours”. She knows, in her heart, that it’s true. But she accepts that she’s nothing here, as you said. That she should be nothing to Bash, after everything that’s happened. And Bash’s line earlier in the episode resounds here, “was it only pain we left behind?” She’s trapped in the pain, that she inflicted on Francis and Bash. Francis’ pain was healed by her choosing him, bringing him back to his rightful place, but Bash? Bash still feels deeply for her and offers her what he always has, as if nothing has changed (which in his heart it hasn’t). Bash never had anything, but he could always offer Mary himself. And he still does. So in this scene, she’s not only saying she’s nothing, but she’s also saying that nothing can be between them now. Because she is wed. No other reason (not because he’s wrong or it’s Francis’ responsibility to put her first). It’s a protection against their feelings for each other and the trust/friendship between them. Because his feelings will lead to his death. She knows this, she has to know this after Francis told her that Bash wasn’t safe from him. Sigh…there are just so many things in between Mary’s words in this episode and I feel like I can’t wrap my head around all of them. Sorry for going off on a tangent but your post inspired me!

Mary was slipping away in this scene and I think that’s what sparked his outburst as well. It’s like she accepts that she’ll never come first, that someone or something else will always be above her. It’s a lot she’s accepted, because there’s a lot of guilt on her side (she changed the line of succession and ended up hurting everyone—-and the consequences have been—a pregnant LIW and a brokenhearted man that she can never reach for again). She blames herself for the rift between Francis and Bash, she wants Bash to hate her above everyone else. Not Henry, not Francis, just her. This is the regret, this is the compassion, this is the sorrow I expected from Mary in 1x13. It’s there, it’s subtle but it is there. That deep sigh at the end when he says he wasn’t capable of hating her tells me all I needed to know. She knew he couldn’t but she hoped he could. Because wouldn’t be easier for all of them if he could hate her? As much as she yearns for what Bash offers, she can’t accept it because it would be selfish to let him fight for her when she’s married. And maybe even, a part of her feels unworthy of such devotion.”

^^^^^^ Oh my goodness. You understaaaaaaaand me. haha! Thank you for writing this entire paragraph because YES. Also that last sentence resonates with so many of my head canons. I was just typing away in my tags earlier today about how I feel a lot of people in the Mash fandom give me the impression of Bash putting Mary on a pedestal or thinking she’s out of his league but I can’t accept that idea because it doesn’t make sense to me with all the things he does. I think he cares about her as much as he does because he cares for her opinions and her goals and her thoughts as much as he does his own. He values her as an equal. Otherwise he wouldn’t challenge her, he wouldn’t disagree with her— if he thought she was above him he’d be about as confrontational as a doormat. But most importantly, he never, ever belittles her (I am trying really, REALLY hard not to bring up Francis here). I think Bash treats her so well because he can’t imagine her deserving anything less because she is “so truly good.” But I think Mary has some deep-seeded insecurities and is so wrapped up in seeing to everyone else’s needs, so wrapped up in blaming herself for things because she’s so hard on herself, that she doesn’t see what Bash sees in her. I feel like she thinks Bash is too good for her because he is too good to her. Especially after that whole “If I were capable of that, I would” line, like you mentioned, you could see it on her face, that REMORSE we all wanted last episode, and I could feel her internal monologue like: “Oh Bash, you are so good, so truly good” thrown right back at him and how she must feel that he deserves so much better than her.

If Bash thought Mary was out of his league, he would’ve never reached for her to begin with. Their first interaction shows us that Bash sees her as a girl, not just a queen. I think the thing with Bash is, he’s chivalrous, so its easy to confuse that with him putting Mary on a pedestal. He sees the good and the bad, he just doesn’t judge her for the bad parts. I think he has a low opinion of the nobility in general so his reverence of Mary has very little to do with her status. It’s about who he’s seen her to be; he’s seen her compassion, her wit, her fire, her wildness, and he’s drawn to it. He sees so much good in her so he can’t accept this low opinion she seems to have of herself. Not to say he’s blind to her flaws, because we’ve seen him call her out on it. He just ends up conceding to her wishes because of the high amount of respect and trust he has in her. I think these characters value each other quite a bit.

I know people feel Mary takes him for granted but I don’t see it. I’ve just seen awe and confusion on her part every time he’s offered her so much of himself. It’s like everyone else sees her as a pawn in a political chess game, but Bash doesn’t. I don’t think she quite understands why, it’s like she can’t believe in the amount of devotion she has received from him. And it’s because, like you said, she internalizes everyone else’s opinion and blames herself for everything. I think this also ties into everything that’s happened since Mary arrived at French court—she’s not as starry eyed as she once was (even though that girl pops up from time to time). She has learned that politics will always come above her heart. For being the main character, Mary is the toughest character to crack because she keeps that fortress up around her at all times. But I think her actions speak much more loudly than her words ever could.

lionheartedbash:

yoshi-09:

Can we talk about how when Mary tells Bash “There’s nothing for you here” how instantly enraged he gets while he says “YOU’RE HERE”? I think it speaks volumes for his character in just those two words.

It’s 1) the obvious, where he’s there for Mary because he loves her and would continue to…

Can I just say how amazing this fanbase is? You guys give me new things to think about and ways to view certain scenes/lines all the time. Once I think I have it figured out, there’s a new interpretation that turns the scene right around for me and this is one of those times. I thought that line was just his frustration at Mary for not seeing how he feels about her but now I’m seeing it quite differently. Thank you! I’m not going to reiterate what you’ve already said because you said it more eloquently than I could but I do have a few thoughts to add to this.

When you consider this, it’s interesting to think back to 1x13 when Francis told Bash, “You—you’re nothing.” That was probably the end of that relationship, at least in Bash’s mind. Because Bash has heard it all his life—from Catherine, from strangers, from girls he liked. It probably hurt him once but he learned to smile through the pain, even to joke about it. That way no one would be able to take a part of him away, the part of him that is wild and free. So he clung to that freedom and learned to be content with his life, even though he was a bastard—a nothing in the eyes of so many. That idea really resounded with me at the end of 1x06, “The real warning is that there are people who matter more and people who matter less. Those who will be remembered and those who will be forgotten.” That was the first hint we really got as to how much his bastard status effects him. Not because he wanted to be part of court, but because his life is always in danger…inconsequential to those around him. And that had to hurt even more deeply coming from his brother. That his beloved brother thought that too, that their relationship had been reduced to that.

There are echoes of that in 1x14 as well, when he talks about being nothing to Francis. To be nothing, in Bash’s eyes is to be unloved, to be unwanted, to be forgotten. So then we get to the Mary/Bash scene in the woods. Bash is, and always has been, like Mary’s knight and protector. Whether it was directly or indirectly, Bash always filled that role in her life. She never asked for it, he just offered it to her because he saw a freedom, a wildness in her that echoed inside him as well. He saw her strength and her compassion as a queen. He knew he could never have her, but it wasn’t about that. It was about Mary, it was always about Mary—the vulnerable girl and the compassionate queen rolled into one. From the sidelines he watched, he admired, he desired. Until that unexpected moment, that moment where she decided he would be her king. And as they bonded, she became everything to him and he became something to her. He showed her that and he told her that in various ways. But here’s what surprised him, the darkest parts of himself—the parts he tried to hide—were the parts that made her care for him. She saw nobility where he saw weakness. For someone who was always a bastard, a nothing, that had to be a powerful thing. I think that’s even reflected in the marriage proposal, “Make me the luckiest bastard on earth.” He accepted his status but what was once a shame, a joke to him is now a simple fact. He used to be nothing, but now he was something to someone he loved. I think he suffered from Francis’ rejection in 1x06, because Bash’s perception of himself seemed to change after that—i.e. “Francis is more civilized, he plays by the rules”.

Then we finally get to this last scene, where the word nothing comes into play once again. “There is nothing for you here.” And like a damn, his resolve breaks the moment those words escape her lips. It’s like he cannot believe Mary would question his loyalty to her, after everything they had been through. That she would question her value to him, and maybe her value to herself. Here’s something important about these characters, they understand each other, on a basic, implicit level. He sees that quiet, broken look in her eyes and he cannot bear it. Not when her eyes used to laugh so merrily, in the beginning and again when her heart was opening to him. He can’t bear her feeling like nothing, like he has felt so many times before. He wants her to feel like something when she made him feel that way, such a short time ago. I think Bash always knew he’d go back to being nothing which is why I think he did not hold any anger toward Mary (she made her choice and he respected that even if he questions it because of what he’s recently seen in his brother). And well it’s like he said, he doesn’t have it in his heart to hate her, even when he has tried. Because she’s something to him and always will be.

Mary was slipping away in this scene and I think that’s what sparked his outburst as well. It’s like she accepts that she’ll never come first, that someone or something else will always be above her. It’s a lot she’s accepted, because there’s a lot of guilt on her side (she changed the line of succession and ended up hurting everyone—-and the consequences have been—a pregnant LIW and a brokenhearted man that she can never reach for again). She blames herself for the rift between Francis and Bash, she wants Bash to hate her above everyone else. Not Henry, not Francis, just her. This is the regret, this is the compassion, this is the sorrow I expected from Mary in 1x13. It’s there, it’s subtle but it is there. That deep sigh at the end when he says he wasn’t capable of hating her tells me all I needed to know. She knew he couldn’t but she hoped he could. Because wouldn’t be easier for all of them if he could hate her? As much as she yearns for what Bash offers, she can’t accept it because it would be selfish to let him fight for her when she’s married. And maybe even, a part of her feels unworthy of such devotion.

It’s interesting however, that she doesn’t negate what he’s telling her, “they’ll always put their interests above yours”. She knows, in her heart, that it’s true. But she accepts that she’s nothing here, as you said. That she should be nothing to Bash, after everything that’s happened. And Bash’s line earlier in the episode resounds here, “was it only pain we left behind?” She’s trapped in the pain, that she inflicted on Francis and Bash. Francis’ pain was healed by her choosing him, bringing him back to his rightful place, but Bash? Bash still feels deeply for her and offers her what he always has, as if nothing has changed (which in his heart it hasn’t). Bash never had anything, but he could always offer Mary himself. And he still does. So in this scene, she’s not only saying she’s nothing, but she’s also saying that nothing can be between them now. Because she is wed. No other reason (not because he’s wrong or it’s Francis’ responsibility to put her first). It’s a protection against their feelings for each other and the trust/friendship between them. Because his feelings will lead to his death. She knows this, she has to know this after Francis told her that Bash wasn’t safe from him. Sigh…there are just so many things in between Mary’s words in this episode and I feel like I can’t wrap my head around all of them. Sorry for going off on a tangent but your post inspired me!

lionheartedbash:

"You’re nothing.”

This is the stone cold barb Francis lobbed at Bash right before he got a well-earned fist in his pretty face. I think its fairly safe to say that Francis actually considers Bash to be nothing. How crazy is this? They are both sons of the king of France but one has all the…

My sincere hope is that the writers have intentionally taken Francis down this dark, twisty path. That they wanted to take him to his absolute worst and extreme just to bring him back into the light, for lack of a better word. To have him be on the cusp of becoming just like Henry just to realize, at the last moment, that he’s becoming someone he never wanted to be. I don’t want Francis to become the villain of the story because that’s incredibly sad for Mary, Bash, and Francis himself. I want to see him own up to his mistakes and to take a long, hard look in the mirror and realize that he’s let jealousy get the best of him. And maybe, hopefully he sees this before it’s too late. And maybe that’s the purpose of Lola being pregnant, to have him grow from this. That is my hope and my sincere wish, because I do love Mary and I don’t want to see her with someone like that. Nor do I want her to be blind to it. So the best option, in my mind would be the last point you brought up. Now, is that what I think will happen? Well, that’s another matter entirely.

The second option you mentioned is more plausible. Now I want to discuss something, and it may be off point, but I’ve seen many people claim that Mary is the cause of the discord between the brothers. I would like to respectfully disagree with that analysis. The seeds of jealousy were always there, it just wasn’t as noticeable in the early episodes. In the pilot, there were whispers from the LIW about how Bash is the favored son of the King. We even see Diane and Bash at Henry’s side when Mary arrives. Catherine comes second and lastly, Francis. We could say that was due to his reluctance to be there, but I think it goes deeper than that. It’s to show us that Diane/Bash are favored in this court, despite their status. Later in the episode, Francis tells Mary, almost wistfully that his brother can do anything and go anywhere he wants; while Francis is relegated to the castle, protected and sheltered. The seeds of envy are there in the pilot, they just haven’t been fully realized yet. In 1x02, Bash aids Mary and Francis starts to see the feelings that are building inside his brother. He’s jealous and understandably so at this point in the series. Bash was wrong to have feelings for his brother’s fiancé, but feelings are not something you can control so I never blamed him for that. At this point, I don’t think Francis did either, even if he saw the spark between them in the pilot. However, I do believe that Francis’ perception of Bash began to change when he heard him chanting in the woods. Bash is keeping secrets, while we know the reason, Francis did not. So I think that trust started to break a little there, especially when you consider that scene between the brothers where Francis warned him not to lie to him again. Again, the seeds of distrust are there. And that, of course, only worsened when he saw Bash kissing Mary in 1x05. Their relationship took a hit and in 1x06, Francis was almost cold/indifferent toward Bash. He was angry, lashed out, and demanded that Bash fix the mess he made. Francis was jealous of Bash and as result, we saw him twist the situation and used it to keep Mary/Bash apart. Now we know that what we saw in 1x06 was just foreshadowing to what we saw in 1x13.

So, I’m fully in the belief that Mary is not the reason that Francis’ relationship with Bash changed, her prescene just ignited something that was ignored before she came along. Francis even told Bash that he always envied him for his freedom in 1x09. That goes beyond the feelings they both hold for Mary. I cannot fathom what Francis was feeling when he saw the girl he loved running away/becoming engaged to his brother. It’s like, once again, someone he loved was choosing Bash, favoring Bash. We know it wasn’t like that, but that was his perception of it; he blamed Bash for the entire thing even though Bash was locked up at the time. It was irrational but it was a culmination of the jealousy/anger that was hinted at prior to that episode. Like Bash said, it had to gall Francis that Mary had feelings for him. It’s like once again, a royal was favoring his Bash. Now, while I understand this on an intellectual level, on an emotional level it makes me mad. It’s like they’ve been building to this point where Francis just envies his brother so much he can’t see beyond it. He can’t see who Bash is and that just breaks my heart since they seemed so close in the pilot. But looks can be deceiving, right? As long as Bash was “in his place”, Francis could deal with his jealousy. I think there’s also something behind the “lucky bastard” comment in the pilot. While it was a joke, it was also a reminder of station. I didn’t see this at the time but looking back on it now, it makes me wonder if that was how he thought of his brother. I hope not because in the early episodes, I loved the brothers relationship. That all kind of broke down in 1x06 though, but I digress.

But back on point, all of this is kind of my way of saying that, while I feel like Francis has major issues with Bash—ones that go beyond a girl—I do not believe he’d punish his children for their bastard status. Francis does have a “hero” side and we’ve seen how loving he can be with his younger brothers. We even saw him save Lola in 1x12, even though he wasn’t obligated to. I want to believe that Francis’ problem is wrapped around his brother and that it wouldn’t affect his children, Mary, Lola, or even Olivia. I don’t know that it’s necessarily that Francis has a superiority complex though he might. Tomas was the only other bastard we’ve seen Francis encounter and he had every right to hate that guy. You raise good points though and I’m curious as to whether Francis just looks down on everyone of lower station or if he just looks down on Bash because there’s a history of envy and hurt feelings there.

Just a note, I am not Francis’ biggest fan but I’m trying to be objective here. I hope my points made sense since I’ve never written a “meta” kind of post on this fandom before, so please be kind! I’m 100% team Bash and I know he’s not perfect, though I think he’s been painted in a more sympathetic light, especially in the last episode.